No, i want a bautist reformed girl, It would be all the pressure for me, to love her as Christ loved the church

Too much pressure on Christian guys?
Is there too much pressure put on men in Christian dating? Typically, they’re expected to approach women, pay for the date, pursue and initiate. Guys of SALT, do you feel a lot of pressure? Does anything need to change?
I just dont know why Christian men are not bold to approach sister in the church or online. On SALT, a lot of men like my profile and when you like them back, they go quiet. Really random behavior or maybe theyre just worried
@Grace Hi there Grace, I think it may also be fear of rejection too. So we need to pray for our brothers.
@Grace this is such a common thing on this app, it happens to us men too. I have suggested to SALT multiple times to implement a feature that would fix this, but SALT staff are more interested in gimmicks than refining functionality. Hang in there!
The experience I have from the short period of time I was on social media showed me personally most of the things that I do not want in my life. I love people in general always but I stepped quickly away from all of that because I would have to compromise myself , my values and honestly seeking someone outside of a place focused on Jesus would have been taking my life back and running it my way in an all worldly environment. This app is different and clearly keeps the focus on Jesus. Awesome!!!
In my own experiance I find online dating challanging. I feel that no matter how much you hope to meet your future partner, I feel its just as hard to know who is single today without using online or other dating services such as speed dating.
Its a who new paradigm dating apps as apposed to meeting someone in church and very occasionally and I mean VERY occasionally a born-again lady out on the street. Does help however (and this has only happened once) while I was praying for a homeless guy outside a supermarket. What gets me is that there is no difference between someone who is saved and someone who is unsaved in the way we interact! Its really tough and whats more it is my birthday and this is going to be the tenth on my own!
@Marc youre looking alright for 100!
@Lachlan 🥳😂
As unemployed man I do feel pressure, but if there there streams of income there's no pressure.
Christian women often value: Consistency, Emotional maturity, Intentionality. Those are beautiful traits, but some men may feel they cannot show uncertainty, vulnerability, or slower pacing without being judged as “not ready. But here’s the other side : Us, women also carry pressure: To be modest but attractive Faithful but not “too intense” Independent but still feminine Patient but not passive. So often it’s not that one gender has it harder, it's more of overthinking on day 1.
@Brenelle Amen to this and well said 🙏
@Evelyn 🥰🫶🙏
@Brenelle Amen
Our generation is sick and has erred because it doesn't read the Word. What man in the Bible felt any pressure to pay the bill or take the lead in the relationship? Abraham (Isaac), Jacob, Caleb, David, Samson? They all paid a price to receive this blessing—which comes from God. Namely, a prudent, wise, kind, modest, chaste... virtuous woman. "Her worth is far above rubies," isn't that how it's written? (Continue in the commentaries)
The only one who felt pressure because of his bride was Christ. "The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him." "Now my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death." And even suffering and knowing that He would suffer the unspeakable, He did not waver. He paid the price for our justification and peace with God. Without complaining. The idea of pressure, firstly, arises because the question is being asked from a female perspective (a woman sees it this way, nothing wrong with it).
Secondly, because the question is being asked at a difficult time, because men are distanced from the Word. Therefore, they are suffering a profound crisis of Christian identity. They don't know the meaning of masculinity. Nor the meaning of marriage.
In the new testament however Jesus paid the price. A price we could not pay!
If something doesn't help you in your quest to be closer to God its not worth pursuing. Jesus told his followers to seek his kingdom not earthly things that will not exist in new heaven and new earth
I think there is a world standard conditioning. Church women have similar expectations as non-Christians. Its basically looks and money in essence. Less about character and potential. It makes it difficult for men to pursue coz very few men are in the 10% (looks/money). We thought in the church we'd meet different women but the standards are just the same. I personally don't bother of late 🙌🏿😂
my elder, told me yo just keep seeking the kingdom as you are doing, he said. I would bring new converts to church every Sunday through the word, miracles, signs, and wonders. The elder would ask me to share my testimonies at the front of the church. I have even been to bible college. I've been saved for twenty-five years now and still never married. My last girlfriend was ten years ago.
Even the Christian minded women want top 10% men. Its insanse. They say they want a Godly man, but when you try getting to know them, they play games
@Neddie You're not entitled to a response from a woman, either... If you're going to get offened and give up after one or two messages.. How are you going to pursue her in your marriage? Most women want to be oursued by her husband all throughout her life. 🙏 Love is not resentful or impatient, it is not arrogant or rude. 1 Corinthians 13 Blessings, brother! Love you!
I appreciate the sentiment of your comment. However, I don't think @Neddie's point was about getting a response or being offended. The fact is that many self proclaimed Christians (both men and women) have been corrupted by worldly thinking.
@Ty You're welcome! What does your bible say about the power of the tongue? I interpreted @Ty correctly. Shalom!
When I try to pursue someone, I find that no one ever wants to be pursued by me. I don’t get any matches on SALT, not even talking stages. When I try, I get ignored. And it is disheartening because everyone else around me seems to find their half. I’m jealous, not in the bad way, but I really want what they are having. And I can’t take this anymore. I’m trying and trying to put myself out there and get nothing. I preach and have ministry, have decent job, but maybe main problem is my face
@Joelis It's kind of hard to pursue a woman on SALT. I had a really positive response after a match, she would view the messages then leave them in read; but I just kept trusting in God and continued to speak life. Eventually she responded. The Lord touched her heqrt. We did not continue to connect, but it's not about me, after all, I'm just glad I was able to be used by God in some fashion during her marriage journey. Love and release! Blessings!
@S I speak generally, not only on SALT, but in real life
@Joelis You are creative. Find a creative way to pursue her! God favors the underdog! I'm praying you will pursue and win the woman God has for you! 🙏
@S thank you, brother
@Joelis I can't say for others but the raven and desk riddle is a bit off putting to me. But maybe your person will get that humor.
@S Hi , I totally understand as woman I have the same issue. I believe that's the issue with dating app. But keep faith 🙏🏼
- I think dating apps have compeltely changed the dynamics between men and women. - Most women go for the top 10-20% men. The bottom 80% struggle to get matches or replies. - Women talk about having bad experiences on the app, but they almost always go for the same group of people who have too many options. - Their experiences affect their views on men, when in reality, most of them didn’t even get a chance. The conclusion is, no one wins. Neither men, nor women. This is sad.
Spiriutally minded women are going to be viewing from God's lenses. They're going to be looking for David's not Sauls. Here's the key, don't be offended about not being in the top 10%-20%. Because it's upside down. Jesus favors the overlooked. You are in the 10%-20%! The right people will look for you because they are not distracted by what distracts everyone else. The bible says Leah was UNLOVED. So God gave her a child. Leah was not FAVORED. So God FAVORED her. Praying for FAVOR! 🙏🙌
@S ❤️
Hey Archie, from my perspective things may look different than you think. If you truly know yourself, you likely have a clear idea of your future spouse too. Even though I was very specific in my dating profile, I still get messages from men I wouldn’t even be friends with. Many simply ignore what I wrote. Isn’t that frustrating? I described myself as an artist, reader and hiker, yet men with none of these traits show interest. Women seek personality and acceptance, not just looks or status.
Good question. In my experience, a lot of guys do the approaching/pursuing but some say they dont find it easy. I dont think there s a right or wrong on this. If a guy has the confidence to approach, pursue i think its an attractive quality. But if he doesnt, it doesnt mean there is anything wrong with him. Life is hard. I think we need to give each other grace for the different ways we are all wired/made. And the different experiences we have had that shape us.
Morning pple
Yes. Often made to feel not good enough
I think a Godly man should know that they are born and blessed with a leadership role. A man who follows Christ ,should walk in the footsteps of Christ guided by the Holy Spirit. They dont need to be convinced or mislead by social noise because their faith is so strong and they believe that they are called to lead with gentleness, courage, wit, love and provision. When you understand the role you play in the relationship through understanding God’s purpose for you in that partnership, all works
Same applies for women, we all know we’re naturers and pillars and theres absolutely nothing wrong in being the support. Even wheb you’re independent and liberated , we are called to be submissive to leadership and only if leadership leads correctly. We are Proverbs 31 women, we help, we empower and lead in pur own way. Feminism gets in the way of most relationships and as much as I stand for woman empowerment and leadership,
Most women want masculine responsibility without masculine authority = slavery Plus laws are so one sided it is not worth it sometimes
The whole "I want to travel and have fun and there are no worthy men anymore" schtick gets old quick.
Any male who has found his identity/purpose in Christ shouldn't feel pressured to prove himself. I believe this is the reason the gender dysphoria is more in males. A man who is to proud to be helped isn't in line with scriptures. A male needs both the help of the HolySpirit & the female to fulfill his God ordained purpose on earth. If God as Christ can eliminate pride to stepdown from his throne, submit to the HolySpirit to fulfil purpose then no male has any excuse or right to be to proud.
@Anthony Thank you for sharing this brother 💪 I pray 🙏 for many more men to understand this and for women to cherish those men who genuinely follow after God’s plan and purpose in their lives
Amen 🙏
@Anthony I find this so beautifully said! This perspective feels refreshing. Thanks for sharing 🙏
@Alexandra Glory to God in the highest and to His Christ the wisdom of God
I think the dynamic has changed for the worse for men because of feminism and the societal changes it has led to . Women needed and wanted men. Good reputation and chastity were important for marriage prospects. Family and having children were central. Nowadays women can live independent.
I don’t agree, I think that we have changed for the better. I’m sooo thankful that we no longer live under a patriarchy and can choose who we want to marry. Women being forced to marry because of money or convenience is the reason kids grow up in broken homes. A lot of them get divorced and have tons of issues.. theres acthally nothing wrong with women living independent either or being educated. It’s actually better.
@Alexis Yeah and that is why women are having less children than evee before in human history
@Alexis The reason for broken homes is divorce. Period. Whether that’s a broken marriage or abandonment. There is now undoubtedly more divorce than in the past. Divorce is now legally more accessible and more feasible (to survive). Marriage is a life long covenant, and our lives are too short to play around. We’re all on this app because of difficulties making choices and staying the course. Let’s make choices then, and stick to them.
@Siete good! At least they can choose
@Brian Huh? Divorce is allowed by God in certain circumstances. In the bible it says adultery & abandonment. I don’t think a woman (or man) should stay in an abusive marriage in any form. Now obviously its going to be a problem if they divorce more than once. I don’t think it’s a sin and God does not either if done biblically. We are all on this app because we have different journeys and circumstances… no one has to be pressured to choose a spouse, its a choice.
@Brian I just looked up an article and 55% of married couples divorced because of infidelity, 46% said married too young, DV or abuse was 25%
@Brian the bible& church encourages people marrying young yet… . “48 percent of those who marry before the age of 18 are likely to divorce within 10 years, compared to 25 percent of those who marry after the age of 25” The highest number for divorce was incompatibility… hmm could that be becsause of pressure from society to marry fast?
@Alexis I think the incompatibility is mainly bc people tend to put masks on while dating....which fall off during marriage...which cause problems
@Matityahu do you think people take longer to get to know themselves and that you are the same person as you were 20 years ago? I’m so different - i’ve grown, changed, my likes are different. so i can’t defend child marriage or even most couples that get married young if the vast majority divorce the most
Besides the fact that i just think child marriage is just wrong 🤷🏻♀️
@William what would happen if you got injured or died if you were married and had kids? How would your uneducated, dependent wife support her and her kids? It only matters when bad things happen though huh. This idealistic, traditional patriarichal mindset has got to go. This is the problem with your and many type of men’s thinking and why ill always have an issue with that mindst
@William I believe the bible supports complementarianism and I'd still side more with @Alexis on this one. Whilst everything you said is technically true, I'd rather a woman marry me because she wants to, not because she needs to. That being said, it depends on what feminism we're talking about. If it's logical (equal pay) then I see no issue.
I reckon some of the church's affinity with right-wing politics (mostly in the US) hasn't helped here, since there you'll often find anti-feminist views from secular reasoning. Often disguised as biblical, without taking into account the whole of scripture. When we start blaming women for our issues though we gotta be careful. That's how incels get made, and thats NOT a good mental state to be in 😅
I don't completely agree with Alexis though, for example I'm not against a couple who wishes to live the "patriarchal" lifestyle. If they're convicted that is how they ought to live then it's not a sin. If the husband dies then the new testament says the young widow should remarry and older widows should be supported by the church. Overall though, I agree... women should be able to live independant, after all the NT teaches us to remain single if we can. Let's not take either extreme view.
We’re all incels now - are we not on this app seeking to end our involuntary celibacy? Look up Carrie Gress or directly the main feminist thinkers and learn where they got all their ideas from, what kind of lives they lead and then do again read the Bible and find all the scriptures that show how men and women ought to relate to each other. Can humankind be fruitful without marriage? Can the church thrive without Christ? Feminism and Christianity are incompatible.
Approaching and paying is all right but too few women make themselves approachable. And even on Christian apps few women behave like christians, many don't answer or end up saying they are looking for a husband but not really. Let your no be no and your yes be yes.
It's about finding someone who likes you for who you are in Christ, not for your best imitation of someone you're not. So I feel zero pressure being myself. 🙂
@Chris you’re awesome
@Matty I know. I'm a very special boy, that's what my mum says anyway 🤔
@Chris well said!
@Chris Fact
Men face constant pressure on how to act, yet women often invest zero effort. My aim isn't to dismiss roles, both genders have responsibilities. In dating, if interested, women should give men a clear opening. I've found most people in the church are friendly, and I dont assume attraction unless shown otherwise.
@Paul how do women give clear opening? Do you have a suggestion?
I don’t even think it’s just about initiative. I think a bigger issue is that a lot of people aren’t really open to getting to know someone and giving it a real chance. Not everyone of course, but I’ve definitely seen situations where people go on dates just for a free meal, and that makes it hard for genuine connection to happen.
The only good thing about people who act like that is that you can know after just one meal that they are not worth your time 😁
I believe men need to take the first step. It's the first step of all that will come after. If the woman runs and takes the first step, the man needs to run faster, hold her hand, and lead the dance. A biblical man is like Christ: he loves first, seeks first, and gives his life for her. If he can't handle the pressure now, he isn't a Man but a boy. He won't be able to support the pressure after the "yes." It's better to ask to leave.
Interesting comments. I think once you find your person and you’re both rooted in God, you’ll naturally find your rhythm. It won’t feel like pressure or comparison. The foundation is key.
In my mind, that is the only right answer.
Yes, these dynamics and pressurea exist. Its frustrating because this is tge place to explore each othercand get to know a potential partner. It would be nice to be met half way.
Yes, we don't find anyone to comfort us and comfort us
That's why she's meant to be help mate not 50/50
I think to preserve ones intimacy till marriage, stay celibate or virgin is very important here for ones safety. I safely hear about from girls how even here on salt, some guys talk about sex before marriage which is very sad to hear. I think if they both hold this aim, it will be very good for the future couple
@Harry sex can be talked about in a mature way and yes it does matter to talk about it before marriage. Nothing wrong about it.
@Alexis not sure if the app posted my response, let me know if it did. Side note, you have a lovely profile, I pray you meet the best man for you who together you will walk and grow closer to Christ together 😊
Well, what they some girls have said to me is that guys are not interested in waiting till marriage for sex which as a Christian I find surprising, I understand the human weakness, but I think it is concerning,.
@Harry ahh.. I read that you said “some guys talk about sex before marriage” as in -it is not good to talk about it at all. I agree with you in that a lot of men DO pressure women before marriage. The last christian guy i dated (thank God long distance) but he was very lustful and made me extremely uncomfortable. I do think men pressure women more but I have been so glad to see some men have celibacy in their profiles
And thank you so much for your well wishes 😊 i wish the same for you!
Many people want to “get with the times” and bypass God’s statutes. Sex is reserved only for marriage -that is what makes it sacred and I think that is always what God aims to preserve. Both man and woman should guard their hearts until marriage. It is good and holy to do so. That is why boundaries are important and talks about temptation & sex are too!
@Alexis im so glad there are woman like you on this earth that share the same sentiments for not having sex before marriage. To honour your body to God where both people have boundaries and are waiting till marriage.
@Alexis I agree, I think it is concerning when I hear about guys trying to do that with girls. Glad you were safe. I think when in the marriage, then it can be discussed better how to serve the other in that intimacy. Sorry to hear you felt pressured
Thank you, you have a lovely profile, and I hope and pray others recognise that.
@Harry I was so naive to think this is 100% a given, but sometimes there needs to be a conversation since people are not in the same place when it comes to their relationship in christ some are more mature than others.
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I don't feel that the expectation to approach, pursue and initiate is too much. Most women I've spent time with prefer to go 50/50 especially on first dates. I do think that there's a lot of pressure and expectation to "entertain" however. The vast majority make no attempt at making conversation. However that's something I've also heard women say about men on these threads too.
I believe God designed masculinity and femininity to beautifully complement one another. When a man walks in strong, grounded, Christ-led masculinity—protective, purposeful, and steady—it creates space for a woman to rest in her full femininity—soft, nurturing, radiant, and expressive. And her grace inspires him to rise even higher. Rooted in faith, a relationship where strength meets gentleness and both reflect God’s divine design is of the highest value. May God Bless you all 🙏💕
@Kat Hi Kat, lovely post from you. A truly Christ led marriage reflects the gospel message of the Bible … Christ’s unconditional love for His Bride, the Church. God bless you, 💕
@Evelyn Thank you so much for your kind words dear Evelyn, sister in Christ and fellow Aussie. Your words are spot on. May God pour his abundant blessings over you and your famiky ☺️🙏❤️
@Kat Thank you Kat and same for you too. 💕
@Kat quite encouraging to read, something to have in mind when I meet the right woman for me
@Harry Thank you Harry for your kind words and may God bless you, your journey and your future spouse, wherever she may be 🙏
Beautifully stated
This is thing. Expectations. I hear one of the main reasons given in a divorce or break up is 'unmet expectations'. I don't even know who made these rules. Why does the man HAVE to pay for anything unless he would like. It's been programmed into us to think this way. But then again perhaps people have their preferences for a reason. It's traditionalism mixed in with modernity and this is the result. I think these are unsaid rules that led to pressure. Even I have to challenge my thinking on this
@Ms M True Ms M… There are many reasons for divorce and each person’s journey is different. I think the key to all this is to have a genuine heart, communicate with grace and kindness and remembering to let God guide every step of the way.
The fewer people you date, the less baggage you are likely to deal with. Several dating relationships mean several breakups, and several breakups mean lots of baggage. Christian men and women need to aim to settle down with the person they enter into an exclusive relationship with, if God has placed them in their life for that purpose.
@Marvin that is certainly the ideal, but one shouldn’t stay in an unhealthy relationship as that would be more damaging in the long run (either out of feeling like the other person can be redeemed, or due to certain Scripture/theology/teaching). Discernment is essential to know God’s leading, with help from trusted, mature Christian friends. People should also work through past traumas/baggage, as well as being established in faith, not rush into a relationship.
@Marvin That is the ideal Marvin but not always the case. It is a marriage covenant ie promises to each other and before God, There are plenty of divorced Christians who were not the ones who broke their promise.
@Evelyn sadly that’s very true and this is why we need to stay true to God’s word
@Marvin You should only be dating one person at a time 😂
@S nothing I said insinuated to dating multiple people at once God bless
@Marvin I wasn't implying that you insinuated it. It's there to convict whom it convicts. Blessings
Yes. Why should be bother?
I’m not convinced the issue is whether Christian men face “too much pressure.” Often the real question is who absorbs the pressure when one person opts out. I was in domestic abuse for 13 years. Proverbs 31 was weaponised to justify why I should provide, manage the household, parent, and carry the mental load. Two oxen are yoked to share the work. If one claims less strain, the other does the work of two. The problem isn’t pressure—it’s entitlement disguised as theology. It’s a heart issue.
@Merlyn YES! Im so glad that you are drawing from your own experience!! Religious abuse is common, sadly
@Alexis Yes agree … that is the reality for many people.
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@Adam firstly, the questions is directed at ‘guys of SALT’ and I’m not a guy. Secondly, I can offer a perspective, no?
@Merlyn I would also add that it is a matter of mutual respect. The Bible is full of verses with the phrase “one another”
@Merlyn Then why are you commenting? You aren't a man. Don't like being wrong, huh?
@Merlyn Hello Merlyn, sorry you have been through this. It is a genuine and real issue in the church as many church leaders have told me. Stay strong knowing his much God loved you, 💕
I think the expectation standards set by entertainment media (eg. Disney, Hollywood, reality TV) have largely been accepted by the Church in Western countries. Those standards (some of which are pure fantasy, many of which are worldly) then have added to them the demands for Biblical virtues, such as Christlike character, purity, spiritual maturity, etc. There are religious and worldly expectations placed on both sexes, and those expectations of what and how we should be can create pressure.
Hot take (perhaps) but if a man feels like there's too much pressure to the point that he can't handle it (a little pressure is fine, it makes us improve ourselves) then he shouldn't date at all, just wait until you're prepared enough to deal with it.
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@Adam Hi there Adam, whatever your journey the Bible teaches that all of us are sinners needing God’s grace and forgiveness ie men and women included. It is the quality and character of the heart of each individual that matters most,
No really, we just have Jesus as the standard we have to live up to 😂
No. But remember, Ruth proposed to Boaz. If the womans gift is her finances she should use her finances to serve. If he is poor and serves with his hands, then he should use his gift of serving to serve. There is no rich or poor in Christ. That's classism. Biblical masculinity is Christlikeness. It's counterculteral (and that includes American culture. ) Jesus is our role model for masculinity. It is not black and white. I've pursued women in dating and been pursued by women. And I'm celibate.
@S Proverbs 31:10-31
@S Hi there S.., Also remember Proverbs 31:10 is a reminder to men that if they find a virtuous woman her value is very precious like rubies which are very precious and highly valued gemstones.
@Evelyn 1 Peter 1:18-19 "knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot." She is MORE precious than rubies 😂⬆️⬆️⬆️ 🩸💎
And more costly than silver. 🌕
My experience is some women demand or expect certain things, but arent willing to give the same things back. For me it seems unfair and unrealistic
Most men here don't feel any pressure then..(or can work under pressure? 😝😏😅)
Healthy masculine man pursues, it is how God made them. Pressure is a fuel for purpose with men. Its the bees who goes to the flowers, the sperms who swims to the egg. Its the egg who chooses healthy sperm & rejects unhealthy sperm. A beautiful polarity of Masculine & Feminine. Masculine gives, feminine receives sameway goes in consummate. Divine masculine men Protects, Leads & Provides for the women no excuses. Feminine nurtures, submits, multiply. Its their different role & Divine calling.
Im old fashioned, i dont expect a guy to pay on a first date. Id offer to split it. Unless he insisted. Im an old romantic. But you dont see it these days. Guys holding doors, pulling out your chair ect....
It still does happen Madeline but I think many men in today’s society suffer from the expectations that women set from the very start now as much as it’s not all it’s a good majority which is why discernment is important
So what's the Christian solution to capitalism? Answers on a postcard
That isn't pressure
it does get a bit depressing sending intro after intro getting no response would be nice to hear back from someone hopefully i get to delete this app in 2026
@Luke ,mate, I think there are quite a few blokes (myself included) in that boat. I agree with your sentiment; it does become rather dispiriting to have intro after intro after intro disappear out intonthe ether, never to be seennor heard from again. Especially as we only get one intro every few days. Makes one extra cautious in their use.
@Chris An intro is a cold call really. Response rates are much better with a mutual match.
@Jessica i completely agree. Ive never received a response from intros ive sent but i also have rarely matched with someone who has sent me an intro. Theres a chance it works but dont expect a match
@Rachel @Jessica An intro is the first point of contact, it’s not quite a cold-call as if you’re on the app, then you are inviting communication. The decision of whether to match and respond is then yours. Assuming a guy has filled out his profile and sent a meaningful intro (asking a question based on your profile), then unless there a dealbreakers (e.g. distance, age, kids) surely it is worth giving him a chance?
@Jessica @Rachel I’ve had positive responses with intros. I think it’s a good way to reach out. My advice - keep doing it. Maybe it’s not so much about the intro being a means to approach someone - it’s more about the contents of the intro.
@Rob Being on the app doesn't automatically invite conversation with everyone who sends you an intro. Women can receive multiple intros per day... If I've ever sent an intro, I've seen it as worth a shot with no expectation of a response
@Chris thanks for your encouragement I guess it isn't always personal some might be talking to someone else or our intros get lost amongst dozens I guess God has given us the desire to find someone so we can trust he will allow this to happen
@Jessica This is true.
Yeah it's due 2 feminism that screwed everything. In Spain u can not be a man, they do not let you, we have less rights. If they like u it's a complkment otherwise it's "harassment". Plus it's full of spoiled impure girls
No one can be “spoiled” and “impure” when Jesus died to make thwm whole and righteous
Thank you for setting that straight. I'm appalled at the language. Wow!
Diamonds are made under pressure 💎
@Jude True Jude. And the more pressure the better the diamond quality.
Related to the taking a women out on a date. Truth is she has probably gine out a couple of times before and then things went side ways. If you are intentional about someone then do something different. It doesnt have to be a restaurant. Can be a picnic. A walk and a coffee. Women just want to see that you actually thought about this and planned it and put effort in it. Women although complicated are simple. We just want to feel valued and special . Doesnt have to be fancy.
Too much pressure? Its called being a MAN. But "most" men nowadays doesnt want to act like a masculine man anymore as they want to be pursued, 50/50 on dates, dont want to lead and initiate. They basically wants to be the price. Not biblical anymore 🤷♀️ Its sad.
@Bree I really agree with you, but before, one man’s salary was enough to support a family, a house, etc. Economically, things are different these days, and there’s more pressure on men. That said, I also see that many guys don’t try hard enough to work.. toward it.
In addition to what Mantas has mentioned about the economic realities, 2 more points to consider: - Things like the “me too” movement and “toxic masculinity” have made approaching women potentially hostile. Men have to look for some hint of interest, to reduce the risk of an invitation not being well received. In a small church, it could make things difficult. - There aren’t the male role models/father figures there used to be, to teach/disciple men, and show women what a good man is.
@Rob One issue with men approaching women is that it feels like it’s been split into the extremes. Either men don’t approach out of fear, as you mention, or they bombard the woman and ignore her ‘no’, making her uncomfortable. Most people, men or women, aren’t going to mind being approached once, respectfully: in fact they’ll be flattered. What’s unpleasant is a refusal to respect a ‘no’.
@Bree at one point women couldn't leave the house, get a job or vote (as is still the case in some countries). Is it not a dangerous slope for women to reduce equality and risk ending up with patriarchy again?
@Bree What is biblical? I think alot of the picture what modern people have of the "traditional" men pursuing women have little todo with the bible. And if a woman want someone to pay for their way of living, that's their dad, or even a sugar dad, not a husband. That seems to be immature.
Nah this isn't pressure, this is the right way to go about it. It shows emphasis on biblical values and leading as God created man to do.
I don’t feel like there is pressure. It’s more a patience and discernment process in my opinion, to find a person with similar vision. Then unselfish love will handle the rest. It saddens me that some people give up their search prematurely.
He who finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the Lord. Proverbs 18:22
My view is that pursuit, for want of a better word, is far more fraught than it once was. The sad fact is that a number of high profile men have behaved in such an appalling way so as to cast a negative perception on male-female pursuit. Personally, unless I have a pretty firm indication that a lady I'm interested in reciprocates that interest, I will typically remain aloof. As a divorced dad, the risk of my pursuit being misinterpreted and the ensuing hoo haa is simply too great.
There are plenty of expectations for men and a lot of things you have to take into consideration. But I personally feel no pressure. If I like a woman to some extent I will let her know. And her reaction is not in my control so also reason to worry about it. Ive had plenty of rejections so at some point you stop caring when they do
So no reason to worry*
It’s true that for men in the church there are a lot of expectations and pressure, and at the same time not enough guidance from men who are already established in marriage. Stay strong brothers !
One of the main reasons I’m on this app is because I would really struggle to ‘approach’ women in person, say at church. I definitely would not be able to initiate anything in person, unless I got to know someone really well first beforehand. I think it would be great if I could meet a woman in person, or even on here, who reaches out to me first, that would show me that they are very proactive, sociable and assertive, which I think is very valuable :)
@Daniel it is very hard to get a response from a woman, even if you write first.
It’s not necessarily pressure, and paying for a date is reasonable (though it shouldn’t have to be expensive), but what there seems to be is a lack of grace and giving guys a chance. In church settings, guys have a lot to lose if rejected - in some cases getting badmouthed/gossiped about, even if everything is above board. Ideally, a relationship grows out of friendship and you ask someone out on a date because you’ve got some idea of who they are and an incline of mutual attraction.
Online has it’s pro’s and con’s, a filled-out profile is a helpful starting point (you can’t really gauge someone’s faith until you’ve got to know them) and an idea of interests/hobbies is a good conversation starter. Even sending meaningful intro’s, the response rate is extremely low. Distance, age etc can be logical deal-breakers, and there are valid arguments for not responding, but how much of it is Christian women judging men based on an impossibly long list of criteria?
Much of what needs to change is teaching and discipleship. Over the years I’ve heard the Church teach for women not to “settle”, and men to not “overlook” potential options. There is truth in both those points, but also the reality we all imperfect people, made in the image of God, and need to show one-another grace. There has to be realistic expectations, and teaching/discipleship for both men and women to 1) live out our faith 2) become the best version of ourselves for our future spouse.
Wise words brother! I also struggle to get women to respond!
@Rob That's true!
If they wanted to, they would. If they don't, somene else will 🤷♀️
@Jessica 💯
No, I don't feel pressure. I'm happy to pay but equally I don't believe in the notion that it HAS to be the man to initiate and pursue. After all, Ruth initiated/pursed Boaz. Plus, the word "pursue" has connotations of one party playing hard-to-get or "ooo chase me" or guys "playing it cool". This is immature. We're all grown adults, we shouldn't be playing games.
@Lachlan Agree completely 👍🏾
@Lachlan Well said!
@Lachlan To each his/her own on who does the pursuing/initiation. However I gently disagree with this narrative about Ruth. It’s not really the case that she pursued Boaz. The man went out of his way to show her extraordinary favour (Ruth 2:8-16). Naomi picked this up (Ruth 2:19). She saw that Boaz could make a good husband for Ruth and that he was also clearly interested in or at least very intrigued by Ruth.
We later see in Ruth 3:10, that on his part, Boaz might have had some inhibitions about outrightly pursuing her. Perhaps he thought she would consider him too old for her. Naomi didn’t ask Ruth to take on the risk of initiation altogether. She nudged Ruth to respond to what Boaz was already doing by a likewise bold overt action. There wasn’t a ton of potential rejection awaiting Ruth.
In my view, a man and a woman should be moving forward to each other with graciousness, courage and mutual interest. Both should be risking something. If a man is to be the leader of his home, he should be okay with risking more upfront.
@Vivian I suppose this is dependant on whether one considers's Boaz's initial actions as an act of pursual... but rather than get bogged down in this I think your summary at the end there is bang on 🎯 I have observed occasionally folk who take the leadership principal out of marriage and apply it to interactions with the opposite sex. It's just silly.
All I can say is this, what my grandparents and before that time had, and what we have now regarding finding someone and getting married are vastly different. The expectations of traditions are still expected but overwhelming only for males (especially in Western Countries)
I feel the preasure is for everyone. It's a tough but wonderful game. God is good. We experience Him in this too as He is the relation-oriented God :D