@Stephen Agreed, and that’s not what I am saying. Changing water into grape juice anyone can do that. All you have to do is crush some grapes. Collapsing time and causing that chemical process to happen in an instant at the micro level is, in fact, a miracle. I’m explaining that even if the wine was low in alcohol, as suggested by Rebecca, it still doesn’t mean that absolutely no one could get drunk.

The fact that God gave them the choice to choose how much to drink tells us He loved these people. He gave them FREEDOM - like it was back in the garden.

@Stephen an old man? An infant? Someone who is prone to alcohol poisoning? I don’t think you’ve thought this through…

Pretty sure as a proficient engineer, I quite sure that there is no such thing as “nobody”. There are always exceptions in statistics. You’re making the mistake of taking aggregate data and applying to individuals…

@Stephen Again, you’re saying “everyone”. Anyway, you’re repeating the mistake. You shouldn’t speak for each and every individual while not even accounting for medical conditions, age, metabolism, allergies, etc. I think I’ve already made my point previously.

@Stephen I’m going to ignore the personal attacks. I hope you hold a better job. If you read your bible you’d know the number of jars are mentioned. Again, you’re making the same mistake by asking how much alcohol an adult can consume before getting drunk - which clearly depends on a number of variables that I have already mentioned. This amount is NOT the same for everyone. That is why you should use judgement and responsibility when consuming alcohol.

Let’s assume you didn’t know the number of jars 🫙 and you didn’t have historical records of measurements used at the time. You still can’t GENERALISE and apply aggregate information to individuals by claiming with absolute certainty that NO ONE could get drunk BECAUSE of said variables.

I’m happy to discuss your line of thinking but I can’t accept your childish and abrasive language. Ironically, you’re clearly the one doing the disrespecting… I have to end this conversation thread because of that but also because you keep repeating the same mistake.

@Rebecca I find it interesting how a holy holy holy God would associate Himself so many times to an alcoholic beverage, which you’ve clearly agreed it is. Cheers 🍷

@Stephen are you saying wine literally became the blood of Christ at the Last Supper? I don’t hold that belief. I think He was talking metaphorically like in John 10:7 where He said “I am the door” 🚪 I don’t think He meant that He is an assembly of timber board, handle and hinges…

@Stephen I understand its significance and meaning, but I personally don’t believe that wine literally becomes or transforms into the blood of Christ at the Last Super or Eucharist. We don’t drink or consume the blood of Christ, we consume wine.

@Stephen Agreed, faith is personal. I didn’t say Christ associated himself with evil. I meant that people think that because wine contains alcohol that He did… when actually it’s about personal responsibility and how much you drink. I’m actually well-versed in the topic because many of my friends do not drink. I myself I’ve never had any problem with alcohol, never been drunk ever.

I think, and truly believe that we do not consume the blood of Christ but wine. I am not trying to convince you, I’m just telling you what I truly think. #respect